So how is there a “shortage” of ships going to the Middle East when there is already a station (2 in fact, CTF-150 and -151?) That’s why the USCG has cutters who are armed with at mim a 57 mm Bofors to a 76 mm Main deck gun. And once its in production and proven in service then expect to see the River Class sacrificed left right and centre to pay for more T31. ), BAES divide their time between wooing the US military, working hard to convert themselves into a US company, and topping up their shareholder dividends by ripping the back out of the MoD. Speaking from a lot of sea time I would be fascinated to see just how they fit everything in the hull of the dimensions given. They can handle smugglers, pirates and small-scale terrorist groups, but nothing greater than that (including major terrorist movements). Although I hear all the talk about these being make-work vessels to compensate for T26 delays this article makes me slightly less depressed about what is going to be delivered. But from whats been said on here I’d expect a lot of RN ship cost goes into unflashy measures to improve survivability. If you want small ships you can fight with, then look back to WW2. No. 2: In this situation, I thought the 2 additional Rivers are “surpluss” = purely job generation purpose (I may be wring, I admit). The hangar and Merlin features are moot, because there will not be enough Merlin to start pointlessly equipping the river class with one, and if there was a small hangar there is still nothing to put in it. This is similar to what is happening between your Type- series and the Rivers series, one is a patrol ship, the other is a ship designed for high intensity situations. Ships. Why do I get the feeling we skipped past the important steps of 1) Global strategy, 2) Need for, and 3) Role of ship in said strategy and jumped straight to the catalogue shopping? As an American commentator (I can’t remember who, but I’m pretty certain it was on informationdissemination and he was discussing the littoral combat ship) recently pointed out, NO small warship is “survivable” if it takes a major missile or torpedo hit: it is simply a result of its size. I personally find it 50/50, it’s not so important that you have to have it at all costs, but it’s nice if you do. You guys might be a lot more stringent considering your recent history of terrorist attacks. That is exactly the problem with your comparisons. So in that respect the extra speed will help. Who knows? The second-generation River-class program has delivered five warships inside six years, joining the original Rivers (HMS Mersey, Severn and Tyne), with the two most recently constructed benefitting from urea filters which reduce their nitrogen oxide exhaust emissions by 90 … Our minimalist patrol ships can work on a crew of 23, the frigates with all the bells and whistles have their crew numbers jump to 70-100., almost 3-4 times the crew and that causes bunking and stores to bloat. In addition a zone along the costal area of a hostile nation would need to be cleaned of any Anti Ship Missile launcher threat. Not forgetting these deployments are part of the training of the higher end fighty ships. Simply too much kit to maintain and too many systems to operate in multi environment warfare nor forgetting the flight. It is well known that the first three R2s will cost much more than the three BAES OPVs that ended up with Brazil (which is using them intensively, by the way, often on international missions). Warships need not comply but if you don’t, you tend to find that the number of Ports that will allow you alongside diminishes very quickly and that greatly affects sustainability and endurance. HMS Spey (P234), a Batch 2 River-class offshore patrol vessel currently in the late phases of construction as of August 2020 for the Royal Navy. Another nice plan. That’s why Chuck Hill and I are all onboard for the 76 MM on the NSC as well. You’re limited in how big you can go. Why on earth would we do something like that when we do have a choice? @Sparky42 Install Combat Management System (CMS), and the new RN standard BAES “Shared Infrastructure” which will equip the RN’s entire surface fleet over the next nine/ten years (this integrates ship sensor, weapons and management systems using a common console system). Here she sits at Scotstoun on the River Clyde. The R1s can be sold or transferred to small navies or coast guards for which a seagoing OPV would represent a major increase in patrol capability, such as a number of Caribbean or African countries. Big threat there huh. No amount of “look how fighty it is” takes away the fact that it cannot be fighty for more than a few hours even if they do shoe horn all that kit on somewhere. It is mandatory to procure user consent prior to running these cookies on your website. That was my point, an OPV is not useless and there is really no need to turn an OPV into a missile gunboat since there are tasks that do require ships to do, no matter how minimally armed. Correction, Echo is closer to 3,700 tons, built to have plenty of space for the crew and to withstand harsh weather, I agree that the RN are right to insist on all the upgrades but in view of modern ASM these are VC’s in the making if put in harms way against any peer force . Is is not. Fire safety modifications may also involve some internal redesign or the fitting of better, but more expensive, fire resistant materials, or both. Likewise, one can easily envisage the ships embarking containerised unmanned air vehicle (UAV) systems. However these kinds of sales are unfortunately always going to be rare and precarious if the sole large surface combatant BAE can offer is way too costly and complex for most other nations requirements. You just can’t drop a heavier flight deck on the existing structure, I would argue. No, they’re corvettes and buying them would have cut into the procurement of real warships like T26. With the new RN Naval Base facilities being built here they would make an ideal addition to the RN presence in theatre. Could be erected when the ship is detached and the helicopter needs maintenance. Before you start shopping you need to figure out what your overall plan for RN deployment in the future is and even how it integrates into the armed forces as a whole. If the RN still had 23-30 full fat frigates/destroyers, we would have enough for most tasks. And, of course, the time of designers (naval architects) is expensive. One of 4 from September 15 to April 16 only then increasing to 2 of 4 with no certain timeline to go to 3 or more. Sorry but totally not true of MCMVS. The fundamental question is do we want our warships designed and built abroad or at home? That is the most basic question you have to ask before taking numbers. For other improvements, such Machinery space walk way, FDO facilities etc, these are straight forward design changes that should not prove to be overly difficult to implement. Hangar facilities to maintain the UAV(s?) Friends supervisors etc are interviewed as are you and that interview can take hours. The US Coast Guard’s National Security Cutter is designed like a Light Frigate in a similar fashion to the Lafayette class Frigates. By including a small magazine for say the Sea Skua replacements it would give the R2 the ability to also act as a floating weapon park. 28 kt max. IIRC, the Canadians tried to go for a large sub fleet in the past as a concept of a heavy sub based navy. @BB “Stephen Duckworth, given that BAe has been a privately owned company for thirty-odd years, why’s it my responsibility as a hard-pressed taxpayer to pay for the design of a ship to fill a gap in their product catalogue?”. as possible, and these to be as high up on the bulkhead as possible. What happens when we do not have a frigate/destroyer available? > “2 River B3 ships”, with extended hull, with Wildcat Hangar and even with a 3in gun. In its full specification it can include an active horizontal projector array, a towed low-frequency source, a flexible, towed torpedo acoustic countermeasure body and a directional receive array. I really can’t see the need for anything heavier than the Rivers in the Falklands and anti-immigration/smuggling patrols in the Bahamas while the higher end ships can do the heavier lifting. 6 T45, 8 T26(ASW), 5 T31, 5 R2(OPV) 30mm cannon and small arms to overmatch any opportunists in speedboats etc (they might merit a couple of 0.50 cals as per some of the minehunters to add punch and variety but nothing more). The £287 million deal brings the total cost of the programme for the vessels and support services to £635 million. Look at the US Coast Guard for example, countries that want to emulate the US Coast Guard because we are seen as a Law Enforcement/Humanitarian/Military role. Armed with a 76mm gun. HMS Spey, the fifth and final River Class Batch 2 Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV), departed BAE Systems’ shipyard in Glasgow today on her delivery voyage to her new home of Portsmouth Naval Base. I also do get that those OPVs/corvettes/support ships are not going to fight WWIII all the time and most days are simply boring work, if you had to fire a shot in anger, that’s probably going to be bar talk material for a year (or even a lifetime, many servicemen don’t even get that), so trying to design your everyday workhorse for a one time event to fight off Russians isn’t really logical. I can tell you exactly what happens. Hopefully T31 will as well but priobably not as much as everyone would like. The containers once empty could be set up with work benches to give an even more sheltered environment for the technicians to work in. Xavier Vavasseur 03 Aug 2020 . Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. It will be interesting to get feedback about this deployment. This category only includes cookies that ensures basic functionalities and security features of the website. A containerised control /Data link container would not be that difficult to install if a fixed system (as is fitted to T23) was not used As an uninformed observer I’m still trying to get my head around when a design becomes “fighty” enough re RN requirements. 1 × 25mm Mk 38 autocannon Even BAE couldn’t miss that one. And if something like that really happened, I’d be looking to see who in the MoD wants someone on that ship killed. For a start, the R2s would not be able to carry up to six containers if they had a hangar! We have used the cost of the current in service Batch 1 Offshore Patrol Vessels as the basis of our planning which is £6.5 million per year.” 1 1 vote. Maybe, but that chance has disappeared. All vessels of the Batch 2 were built by BAE Systems in Glasgow. Oct 10, 2014 - “Steel has been cut for new @RoyalNavy offshore patrol vessel at a ceremony in #Glasgow” They have been Gucci speced above and beyond but not weaponised . The new Rivers have no capacity for additional storage, nor do they have the power surplus or stability to be able to carry large complex sensors such as AESA radars at any height – any radar can look a long way away, the warfighting requirement is to spot missiles and low-flying aircraft down at the horizon at a distance where you can take action. For those having thoughts of turning OPVs into warfighting corvettes.Why? Long story short, how you fit your ship is a reflection on how you operate. They are the assets that the US cannot replicate. I can think of at least 4 types of “fightyness” only one of which is fashionable:. You have to fit your ship for the job, not the job for the ship and in our case, there simply is no need for a long range patrol cruiser since most piracy cases are point blank in your face situations due to the narrow Malacca Straits. HMS Tamar (P233) raises her flag on her own river. …. There is no indication that this capability has been removed from the R2s. In the extreme, you could even say “aircraft carriers are useless because “they” can nuke the carrier with ICBMs!” or “frigates are useless when they start throwing nuclear missiles!”. The 76mm for the USCG is a General purpose Naval gun. not mini frigates that have cost implications . There’s no point us having “fighty” ships that sit in the English Channel willy waving at the French. … If you look at what is around now, there are some amazing designs. The UK Secretary of State formally started construction of HMS MEDWAY, the second of three River Class Batch 2 vessels, by operating the plasma steel-cutting machine at an event attended by representatives from the Royal Navy, the local community and BAE Systems employees. Heck, even the same gun that’s on the Type 23. I thought it would be implicit in my discussion of the potentialities provided by its ability to embark containers. This is really importnat to the RN. (note APT-S has long been gapped. If the R1s are to be “replaced”, it is doing so with a bit less suitable platform (R2). What really needs correcting are the numbers of capable escorts – frigates and destroyers. The unfortunate fact is that in any foreign place where “presence” is required, even a RIB can tote an ATGW. I for got to add a 20mm CIWS on top of the hangar. @BB – “I thought British citizenship was handed out like Smarties nowadays. The fact that none of these proposed containerised/palletised systems currently exists is irrelevant; it is highly likely that, in an emergency, many of them could be developed, tested and deployed in a matter of weeks. If we want some more ships in a wider patrol role (more global) AP(N) etc but can’t afford more high end units, we could look to be buying bigger hulls with hangers and space for lots of containers that could have some form of secondary logistics role in a hot war environment. A 76 mm gun system with an unprotected magazine could turn an OPV into a death trap if it got caught up in a real shoot out, even if the opponent had lighter calibre weapons. The C Sword 90, like Venator, is nothing more than a collection of PowerPoint slides and CGI. It’s the fault of the person. Such a hotbed of rebellion and high tech weaponry. AN OPV or a cutter is more appropriate and it would be great to have a Frigate to act as a mother ship or a command and control ship for the OPV or cutter. On an unrelated note, in the same SDSR as the Type 31 was first suggested, it was announced that successor costs had grown and a £10 billion contingency was being set up for the programme….I wonder where the money for that came from? He saw a memo on Mine hunter numbers & challenged it. So, a couple more of these, and then some coastal forces. The least BAES could do was build these overpriced vessels to Gucci OPV standards. Although armed with 127mm + Aster 15/30, they are also developing a lightweight 76mm called Sovraponte. All design / production / engineering effort should be devoted to making that happen. if you need to stop a ship from a small to large ship, a 30 MM is not gona cut it. 1792037. builderel1 Level 33: Artisan Engineer. The problem here is, you don’t need a Frigate, if your doing all the LOW end work such as EEZ patrol, Maritime security or anti Piracy operations. More on that in the next few months. Thanks to a urea filter which reduces nitrogen oxide emissions from the diesel generators by about 90%, HMS Spey will be one of the most environmentally friendly ships to join the fleet. Now, to succeed, such attacks must be launched at short range, otherwise the attackers will be cut to pieces by the 30 mm gun: the boats employed in such attacks would be small and fragile and a single 30 mm hit, or even proximity detonation, would disable one. You seem to think the RN is awash with fighty frigates/destroyers. If all this nonsense about venators, corvettes and patrol frigates turns out to be true the RN will be making a terrible mistake. Propulsion: 2 × 2,500 hp (1,864 kW) ALCO 251B diesel engines That is why they are there and why nobody at 5th Fleet would dream of swapping 2 of them for another 2 Patrol Boats. The suspicions around that incipient gap are what this argument and this whole thread are really all about. Their patrol route was only a one day journey out and back, nothing at all like the weeks or months long deployment that your navy does. I would have built this big OPV with all the same warshipy upgrades, but with a hull full of ballast and the same small crew operating a similar weapons, sensor and equipment fit… with the notable addition of a hangar plus plenty of ISO container space. The only cutters that have less than a 30mm in the US Coast Guard is the Sentinel-class cutter and the Reliance-class cutter, which have the 25 mm autocannon. HMS Clyde replaces the Castle Class HMS Leeds Castle and Dumbarton Castle OPVs. Once commissioned, she will enter a period of ship’s staff workup and her first maintenance period under the Contractor Logistics Support programme (CLS) which will be delivered by BAE Systems’ Maritime Services business, which delivers upkeep and maintenance for the entire Royal Navy surface fleet based at Portsmouth. The US sold the Shah F-14s, F-4s, F-5s. The Forts were to get an identical Sea Wolf outfit to a T23, the reason they didn’t was that the specified CMS failed, the ships themselves went way over budget and the Soviet Union had the temerity to finally be torn apart by the inherent contradictions of socialism. The River-class Batch 2 offshore patrol vessel (OPV) HMS Trent has been commissioned with the Royal Navy today during a ceremony at Portsmouth Naval Base. Nobody is sending OPVs to a warzone you are beginning to sound like a very broken record and your comment on 45 is truly desperate given DFND availability. It is the recurring cost, every year, of the skilled people to operate it. An opportunity exist to do exactly that through through the MHC program in the late 20’s, which is a much better approach. HMS Spey is the fifth of and final River-class Batch 2 OPV on order from BAE Systems for the Royal Navy. 6 T45, 8 T26(ASW), 3 T26(GP), 5 R2(OPV) By the way the Saudi military, National Guard and for that matter the greater populace are very very pro the king.Add into that tribal loyalties, Wasta, and the temperament of the majority of Saudi’s a coup is most unlikely anytime soon or in the forseeable future.. T23 has always struggled for accomodation. Its at Then you have a counter terrorism check cleRance level. if your gona use an OPV like that to stop smugglers and Go fast boats, you need a bigger main deck gun like a 57 MM Bofors or oto melra 76 MM. But, the River B1 or B2 cannot do this because of, say, -lack of helicopter, lack of firepower (even a 3 in gun is a threat), and (maybe) lack of range and endurance. Such research could be carried out by the MoD’s Defence Science and Technology Laboratory, or DSTL (which, according to its 2014-2015 Annual Report, has 3 839 staff, 90% of them permanent, so it is a substantial, heavyweight, research and development organisation) or be contracted out by DSTL to Qinetiq. Yes I guess you could lash containers to the flight deck with some sort of missile in or a CIWS but that would surely only ever arise in some emergency of Falkland proportions. We don't know about any in-box reviews for this River-class Offshore Patrol Vessel, Batch 2 (#S9U8XZJ6G) from Dutch Fleet Naval Miniatures. If not — then some redesign would be needed. The fact stands that we have enough firepower in the Gulf to neutralise them in 24-36 hours. That’s easy. That is fine in theory, but wars tend to come out of nowhere fast & you end up fighting with what you have got. JH, the OPVs are busy doing fisheries patrol since there are only 3 of them. What the Royal Navy needs to do is take a page from the Royal Thai Navy’s HTMS Krabi. Since the first information was published about the second batch of the River-class patrol ships, officially referred to as Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPVs), I have felt that they have been widely misunderstood. If this is the case then another interesting twist on the lower level capability debate is, if one accepts that any vessel primarily designed for an SP&SST role is not going to be asked to go into harms way in a peer conflict and so doesn’t really need any up-arming capability, just how small a vessel could provide the SP&SST role? I shall refer to this design as the BAES OPV. Huge collection, amazing choice, 100+ million high quality, affordable RF and RM images. Essentially the Brown Govt signed a Terms of Business Agreement that guaranteed a minimum level of work (and income to BAES). ” this could be close”, Level 1 – what’s fighty? Shock-proof pumps, valves, etc., will be significantly more expensive than their non-shock counterparts. They are too slow, with a too small sphere of influence to have the coverage or response times necessary to counter general maritime security threats like piracy or smuggling. If this happens, no problem. I hope all the issue addressed in this post is correct. I even pointed out just where the C Sword 90 may sell if ever built. Echo is 90m long and about 2,000 tonnes: extending the length would allow space to upgrade the propulsion and thereby top speed to, say, 24 knots, and provide more space for containerised systems and a heavier weapons fit. if you look at Iran’s speed boat fleet for example, they would shred anything the UK throws at them, including your so called police boats armed with a 25 to 30 mm. Even less so than designing them to fight off Argentinians, all you need is a cabin cruiser and a clipped on machine gun for that, considering the state of *their* navy. Yes the DDs / FFS can do all these in peacetime also ,but the OPVs give ‘cover’ in a number of areas in the event the DDs / FFs are warfighting. Putting a 30 MM on an OPV is weak. Not sure D3 would agree with you over replacing 2 of our MCMVS with 2 River Batch 2. The 13 T23 were good ships when new, but what state are they in now (or the next few years as they are forced to run on)? Ordering a new top end ASW-MPA. If up armored (with 20mm CIWS and 30mm SeaHawk sigma (LMM and StarStreak), and possibly with a 3inch gun), and added with a Wildcat hanger (and a arsenal for LMM and SeaVenom), it can replace the APT-S, if the Argentina military situation was kept as low as it is now. Here’s what a well placed 57 mm Bofors will do to a ship. They maybe suitable for third rate navies trying to intimidated their local neighbours. @Sparky42 Small ships just can’t do that. To be honest, I do understand the feelings of wanting to get the/be the best, it’s part of the competitive streak inherent in the human condition. HMS Forth, River Class, Batch 2 HMS FORTH Royal Navy River Class Batch 2 OPV Navigation and Communications outfit. First, let us consider the watertight integrity improvements. 2. A modern ship can’t fight with its power offline. Lets hope. For your dream fleet, something has to give. Just so log as they can strut about pretending to be important. 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